Some Thoughts on Secession


Recently, some of the blue check crowd have been making noise about secession. They seem to forget what happen the last time a bunch of Democrats tried to pull their states out of the Union. Lanny Davis ran a series of tweets recently that deserve some fisking. In one of his tweets he assumes that the following states and territories could secede:

Hawaii, Oregon, California, New Mexico, Washington, Minnesota, Wisconsin, Michigan, Illinois, and all the Northeast … including Puerto Rico, the U.S. Virgin Islands, Guam, and Washington D.C.

OK. They leave. That means they will form a new country or countries, so the remaining states will be The United States of America.

One of the first things the United States should do (assuming we permit secession) is to remove as much of our property, personnel, and citizens back within our borders. We should also reclaim and reoccupy the U.S. property in the District of Columbia. Perhaps the 10th Mountain Division could be tasked with that on its way south from Fr. Drum. Evacuation the Naval bases along the Pacific Coast and in Hawaii would be a tremendous undertaking, but moving the soldiers and Marines out of the string of bases from Ft. Lewis to Camp Pendleton would initially only require moving them to Idaho, Nevada, and Arizona. Most of the Air Force’s part of the nuclear deterrent would already remain in the United States, and the rest could be rapidly repatriated. The various Blue State National Guards would be disarmed of all weapons and equipment that had been provided by the United States.

As for the idea that the Blue States would have most of the manufacturing capacity, the United States would still have reasonable capabilities. F15s are made in Missouri, F16s and F35s are made in Texas. F22s are made in Georgia. Mercedes SUVs are made in Alabama. Corvettes are made in Kentucky. Microcircuit wafers are made in Colorado, Texas, Virginia, and other states.

The United States would retain most of the farm land and other natural resources—and electrical generation capacity.

And then there’s the West Virginia precedent. Already, there are folks in eastern Washington who want take their counties and join Idaho, and much of California east of the coastal mountains is fed up with having their lives ruined by a legislature dominated by the coastal cities. Most of Illinois is ready to be done with Chicago. Most of the rural areas of those states as well as Maine, New Jersey, New York, Pennsylvania, Maryland, Michigan, Wisconsin, Minnesota, and New Mexico would probably try to find a way to apply for readmission to the Union as new states. This could be particularly beneficial for the state formed from southern Illinois because it would be a way to avoid bankruptcy by sticking Chicago with Illinois’ sovereign debt. (BTW, as a resident of Maryland, I would repatriate to my native state of Tennessee.)

Also, the Blue States of America would not be a contiguous county. When the Raj was partitioned in 1947, Pakistan was non-contiguous with India in between West and East Pakistan. The two parts of Pakistan shared a religion but not a deep culture. They couldn’t stay together as one nation. How long would it take East B.S. to be tired of West B.S. or vice versa?

The Democrats had a snit fit after the 1860 election when they didn’t get their way. The result was the deadliest war in our history. I hope and pray that they can contain themselves in 2020 and 2021.

13 thoughts on “Some Thoughts on Secession

  1. Most of Illinois was done with Chicago 40 years ago . When I was attending Illinois agricultural youth institute in 85 we asked the state rep who was there about expelling Chicago from the state.

  2. One big difference between then and now is that many of us would be glad to see these Bolsheviks go. In fact, one condition ought to be a denial of immigration from the USSA to the USA after a few months. No way should we let them flood us with agitators and provocateurs. If they want to leave, leave. But there is no coming back!

    • Yep. Unlike 1860, this time we absolutely would NOT want to fight a war to force the secessionists to come back. In fact, if they left and then five years later wanted to come back, the United Free States probably would go to war to prevent the secessionist states from coming back! (I’m assuming here that the Free counties in the secessionist states would already have petitioned the United Free States for membership in a West Virginia-type situation.)

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  4. Yes, the West Virginia model would apply in spades to the Left Coast states. There’s been a low-level urge to create the state of Jefferson out of Oregon counties east of the Cascades, as well as several northern California counties. Eastern Washington has made noises along that way, too. The join Idaho movement is more recent, really surfacing this year.

    There is no real surprise that a lot of people living around the state are not fond of the attitude that what Portland and NW Oregon want, all the state must do.

  5. Eastern halves of Washington and Oregon want nothing to do with Seattle/Portland culture. Losing the Trident base on Puget Sound and the shipyard in Bremerton will be HUGE losses; but I don’t see any way around it.

    NewCali STOPS at Camp Pendleton. No further south. San Diego must remain with the free states.

        • San Diego and Imperial Counties are worth keeping and they would connect Arizona to the Pacific. BTW, the treaty between the United States and Mexico would still control the Colorado River, so the Blue States would have to negotiate access rights to draw water from that river.

  6. If California seceded from the union, most every county outside of LA, San Fran and Sacramento areas would secede from Ca. They’d have to get their tax revenue from Santa Clara county. Until the tech companies move to Tennessee./

  7. but…but…but.. Broadway shows! and Hollywood movies! and and and…uh…subways….and…uh…Times Square? Ghettos? How about them? Just think what we’ll be missing. (cut to street campers, sidewalk needles and poop)

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