A New Angle

I’m beginning to see a new talking point from the gun control crowd—suicide prevention. The possibility of preventing someone from rashly shooting himself has always been one of allegedly good reasons for waiting periods for firearms purchases, but there’s a new twist. It seems to underlie a piece I read this morning over at Scientific American.

You see, it’s white men who are stockpiling guns, and we’re using them to kill ourselves.

Unfortunately, the people most likely to be killed by the guns of white men aren’t the “bad guys,” presumably criminals or terrorists. It’s themselves—and their families.

Read the whole thing. When you do, you’ll see the new twist at the end.

“Ridicule of working-class white people is not helpful,” says Angela Stroud. “We need to push the ‘good guys’ to have a deeper connection to other people. We need to reimagine who we are in relation to each other.”

They’ve noticed who comments about bitter clingers and deplorables helped elect.


23 thoughts on “A New Angle

    • Don’t let the facts get in the way of your fingers: The death penalty (by any means, including hanging) has been outlawed in all jurisdictions in Australia. From The Fount Of All Knowledge And Wisdom, A.K.A. Wikipedia (/sarc):

      Article: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Capital_punishment_in_Australia

      Capital punishment in Australia has been abolished in all jurisdictions. Queensland abolished the death penalty in 1922. Tasmania did the same in 1968, the federal government abolished the death penalty in 1973, with application also in the Australian Capital Territory and the Northern Territory. Victoria did so in 1975, South Australia in 1976, and Western Australia in 1984. New South Wales abolished the death penalty for murder in 1955, and for all crimes in 1985. In 2010, the federal government passed legislation prohibiting the re-establishment of capital punishment by any state or territory.[1] Neither the Commonwealth nor any of the states will extradite or deport a prisoner to another jurisdiction if they will face the death penalty, and police co-operation with other countries which have the death penalty has been questioned.[2][3]

      The last execution in Australia took place in 1967, when Ronald Ryan was hanged in Victoria.

  1. Since many on the left support euthanasia…what business is it of government to limit my choice of method? And since the left does not actually support the political choices of bitter, clinging white men…why should they care if those guys off themselves?

    Is it a newfound appreciation for life?

    • Our suicide rate is much lower than either Japan or Norway, both of which make it incredibly difficult for an ordinary citizen to own a firearm.
      I wonder if they’ll ever look at the 30 or so cities with the most firearm homicides and see if the data there tell them anything.

  2. A person with a strong desire to do something will look for a way to accomplish it. There exist counties with virtually no guns, but higher suicide rates. Taking away the most popular means won’t change the popularity of the act

  3. I have a feeling this opinion wont be popular. Oh well.

    (Third wave) Feminists denigrate anything with a penis as inferior and push relentlessly to have this value permeate society.

    Society through education, employment, entertainment culture, and marketing double standards tells white men and boys they are not as “worthy” or “valuable” as others.

    Then the gun control crowd- a crowd highly correlated with liberals who created this climate in the first place- have the nerve to stand on the graves of dead people (yet AGAIN) to push their agenda?

    And they wonder why people view them with revulsion and contempt.

    • This is a lot of what folks around here are fighting against. Your expressed opinion fits most of us here, I suspect.

      Also, since when has the gun control crowd shied away from dancing in the blood of (and on the corpses of) victims of “gun violence”?

  4. The utter failure of the Left’s policies has resulted in a society with more desperately unhappy people. Their solution is to double down on liberalism.

    If you think suicide is a problem today, wait till today’s children reach their fifties. Suicide is a problem for those who fall out of the web of human contact, often through divorce, job loss, or illness with drugs addiction being both a cause and effect. Imagine how these stresses will effect those who only learned virtual human contact via electronics. The biggest corporate killers aren’t Smith & Wesson, but, rather, Verizon and AT&T.

  5. There’s already been an incident in northern California of a teacher who accidentally discharged a gun during a gun safety demonstration, injuring three students.


    Apparently the gun was pointed at the roof, and the bullet ricocheted off of there.


    * Stupid NRA-inspired lets-arm-the-teachers policy: 0

    * Arming-the-teachers-brings-in-new-risks/benefits that need to be evaluated carefully: 1

    Not even a month since the last massacre of 17 students.

    The facts speak for themselves.

    • What an enormously stupid take on that incident. The gun was part of the class topic, it had nothing to do with “arming” teachers at all. In fact, the very article you link states that he was a reserve police officer – and according exempt from state and Federal laws prohibiting firearms in schools in the first place.

      Get a clue.

        • fred.bloggs connections to the Hogewash! comment section have all been from IP addresses in Adelaide, South Australia, so I suspect he isn’t commenting from an American perspective.

          • Curses! And I thought my disguise was so good!

            I’ll have to apply more lemon juice to my face (and fingers?) in the future!


          • Not a problem, Fred.

            You come from a different culture, one which acknowledges the Queen as symbol of the Commonwealth, and are not expected to understand the uniquely American proposition that government exists only by the consent to the governed. That’s not the norm among the 189 or so different countries in this world as 100 million-plus 20th century deaths by their own governments hands attests.

            Regarding score:

            * NRA members guilty of any school murders: 0
            * NRA members participating in or conducting any public mass murder: 0

    • One leeeetle problem: That teacher is also a cop.

      One more: the teacher was demonstrating the weapon for gun safety purposes. That wouldn’t be the case for a CCW teacher.


      So, only cops should have guns! OK, he is a cop. And when the weapon discharged, it wasn’t pointed at anyone, because gun safety.

      Huh. Maybe we should only let federal agents have guns!

      I’ll control my own guns, thank you very much.

    • The facts speak for themselves

      That teacher was also a reserve police officer. So based on your logic, I have to assume you also want to disarm the police.

    • The reference to Australia and hangings by Scrubone is in regards to the method of suicide. Not capital punishment, wanker.

      • I sheepishly stand corrected — I’d skipped over the suicide angle too quickly.

        Mea culpa.

        While someone, somewhere (coroner’s office?) probably knows the percentages of how people have done themselves in, these are numbers that are (obviously) not advertised widely, for fear of inspiring copycats. (I do recall a clear-cut case where a car crash was a suicide, and thus this crash was not included in the general road fatality statistics.)

        While I’d still like to see more discussion on the potential benefits and risks of arming teachers (including false-positive and false-negative scenarios), I think I’ve shot off {(a) My mouth, and (b) Myself in the foot} enough for now.

    • Well, the fact” is that there are many, mainly rural school districts that allow teachers to be armed. Provided that have the proper training. There’s never been a injury from one of these teachers.

      But you can always hope!

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