Unsettled Science


The New York Times has a post up titled E.P.A. Chief, Rejecting Agency’s Science, Chooses Not to Ban Insecticide. That headline is somewhat misleading. EPA Administrator Pruitt killed the regulation because its scientific basis had been challenged by outsiders, including scientists at the U. S. Department of Agriculture.

The ban would have eliminated chlorpyrifos, one of the most commonly used classes of insecticides. Pruitt has sent the agency staff back to resolve the questions raised by the USDA and others. So, for now, chlorpyrifos will still be used by farmers to protect their crops.

“It means that this important pest management tool will remain available to growers, helping to ensure an abundant and affordable food supply for this nation,” Sheryl Kunickis, director of the U.S.D.A. Office of Pest Management Policy, said in a statement Wednesday.

Read the whole thing. It give a glimpse into a turf war between two of the embedded bureaucracies and how pitting one against the other might be a useful strategy to reign in overregulation.

13 thoughts on “Unsettled Science

  1. OT- Those who have been praying for my Father, I thank you. On Tuesday he was awake with the breathing tube in him when I saw him, after I left, I got a call he had on his own pulled the tube out. He was having trouble again and this morning they had to put it back in and sedate him again. Him pulling it out was not the wisest course and I was told he is right back to where he was on Sat. I have to go for consultation tomorrow morning to learn more.

    I ask for continued Prayers for Healing and Strength and Peace through this.

    Thank you all

  2. Here is the reality check. This isn’t an example of one bureaucratic agency pitted against another. This is yet another example of the difference elections make. Banning chlorpyrifos is how Democrats govern. Protecting our crops from pests is how Republicans govern.

    Yet again we are seeing another stark difference between electing Donald Trump and Hillary Clinton. Yet again we see another example of the utter insanity of the #nevertrump movement. In advocating defeating the only candidate capable of reversing the ban they de facto supported the ban.

    Wouldn’t it great if we had “conservative” “leaders” who actually fought against the liberal agenda?

    • We do. Trump hates them.

      • 1) The number of self-styled “leaders” in the “conservative movement” who threw in with Hillary Clinton to various degrees indicates that we don’t.

        2) Again, you are less than forthright in your descriptions of Donald Trump. It’s politics. It isn’t personal. Claiming that it is, doesn’t make it so.

        3) If “fighting” a Republican in a Republican primary is “hatred,” are you acknowledging that the #nevertrump movement, including yourself, hate Donald J. Trump, President of the United States of America?

        • 1. I know you find it impossible to believe this, but many, many, many people think that BOTH Hillary and Trump were garbage candidates. Despite your undying adoration, Trump is not universally loved.

          2. Trump is not a conservative. Adoring Trump does not signify that you are a conservative.

          3. This is not a primary. This is governing time. Grow up.

          • First and foremost, supporting Hillary Clinton either implicitly, or, explicitly, de facto or de jure, does not signify that one is a conservative. While supporting Donald Trump may not be considered a litmus testing considered a conservative, it most certainly is a disqualifier for being considered liberal. On the other hand, supporting Hillary Clinton either implicitly or explicitly is a disqualifier for being considered a conservative.

            I fundamentally reject your premise that I am not in governing mode. Since 2010 allegedly “conservative” Republican leaders have promised to repeal Obamacare. When Obama was there to veto the bill, they voted to repeal it dozens of times. When Obama was gone, they didn’t even try. There only seems to be a few dozen Republicans who even care that conservatives have been betrayed. Unless conservatives care that they have just been betrayed the same people who have betrayed them will do it again and again. Sure, if you want to have liberal policy, focus on crap about “governing.” If you want conservative governance you ought to want accountability for betraying conservatives. If folks like you spent a tenth of the time you spend trashing Donald Trump pointing out how we have a “garbage Speaker” and a “garbage Majority Leader” I might consider you have a point. But, the fact is that you don’t.

          • Conservatives are being betrayed by Donald Trump.

            BTW, when you’re still whining about an election you won 6 months ago, you’;re not in governing mode, you’re in “LEAVE MY BOYFRIEND ALONE!!!” mode.

          • Pablo,

            Once again I have to remind you that words having meaning. George Herbert Walker Bush ran on an agenda of, “Read my Lips! No new taxes!.” George Herbert Walker Bush proceeded to raise taxes. That’s betrayal. Republicans, including self-styled “conservative” and “libertarian” ran for four consecutive elections on an agenda of repealing Obamacare. They proceeded to affirm the vast majority of Obamacare. That is a betrayal. Donald Trump ran on agenda of “repealing and replacing Obamacare.[with insurance for ‘everybody’ that was ‘cheaper’ and ‘better’.]” That is what he attempted to implement when elected. Now, you might disagree with his campaign platform, but, what you cannot do is say with a straight face that Donald Trump betrayed anyone.

            You can, and ought, note that the entire Republican leadership team in Congress did betray conservatives and the American people.

            Yet again conservatives are like Charlie Brown, and, the Republican establishment is like Lucy. Yet again the football has been yanked away from us at the last moment, and, yet again conservatives have landed flat on their backs. Now, you can prattle on at length about how Charlie Brown ought to “focus on playing football,” but, the reality is that the game was rigged against him, and, that the only way he going to kick the ball through the goalposts was to replace his holder..

          • Trump’s attempt was Ryan’s bill, which neither replaced nor repealed Obamacare. This is because he couldn’t write policy if his life depended on it.

            Trump tried bullying that bill to passage. Because his legendary deal making skills aren’t so legendary, he failed in that effort. Trumpkins and the GOP Establishment are now pissed at actual conservatives because they rejected that (17% approval) bill, aka Swampcare.

          • Pablo, you can assert an alternate reality all you want, but, I’m not buying it, and, I doubt many others will ever. First of all, the House of Representatives Bill was cobbled together by staffers, and, lobbyists for the health insurance industry. That very much explains its 17% approval rating. The governing philosophy of the GOP establishment seems to be little more than “money talks, bullshit walks!” Health care is yet another example of them failing conservatives. Business interests didn’t want to repeal Obamacare because Obamacare allowed them to offload the expense of employees to the taxpayer. Conservatives wanted one outcome, business interests wanted something else. The talk was conservative, and, the substance was liberal. That’s Ryan and McConnell in a nutshell. You can wrap the establishment’s betrayal in fancy paper, a bow, and tag that reads “courtesy of Donald Trump,” but, the facts speak for themselves.

            As to Donald Trump’s “legendary deal making skills,” I would only note that the freedom caucus blinked. Whether, or not, that is a good thing, or a bad thing, for conservatism and/or the country, it does reflect well on Trump’s skills. Obamacare had 18 mandates. Ryancare repealed 2 and retained 16. The freedom caucus announced that they would support the bill if that ratio was changed to repeal 4 and retain 14. Now, you can talk all you want about freedom caucus standing up for conservatism, and principle, but, the reality is that they too are for Obamacare in 14 of 18 instances.

            Yet again, I have to remind you that repealing Obamacare was what Ryan, McConnell, and a number of “Republicans” promised conservatives a repeal. Donald Trump promised better and cheaper insurance for all. Ryan, McConnell, et al betrayed the folks they asked to support them. Donald Trump governed exactly as he said he would.

            Finally, you can say that “Trumpkins” are “pissed” at the freedom caucus all you want, but, that doesn’t make it true. I’m pissed at Ryan, McConnell, and the rest of the festering establishment for reneging on yet another campaign promise. They aren’t even interested in a show vote this time. Pathetic.

          • You can wrap the establishment’s betrayal in fancy paper, a bow, and tag that reads “courtesy of Donald Trump,” but, the facts speak for themselves.

            Trump spoke for himself. “Pass this bill or you get nothing.” You don’t get to spin him out of that. Of course he didn’t write it. He couldn’t write it. But he took ownership of it loudly and clearly and threatened those who refused to go along. He owns that and nothing you can say will change that.

            Now, you can talk all you want about freedom caucus standing up for conservatism, and principle, but, the reality is that they too are for Obamacare in 14 of 18 instances.

            This is where you make it clear that you’re incoherent. Insisting on repealing Obamacare does not mean you’re for Obamacare. This is rank idiocy.

            Yet again, I have to remind you that repealing Obamacare was what Ryan, McConnell, and a number of “Republicans” promised conservatives a repeal. Donald Trump promised better and cheaper insurance for all.

            Trump promised repeal a million times and everyone including you knows it. There’s no point at all in you lying about it. After betraying that promise and trying to bully Swampcare into passing, he’s back at it.

            Finally, you can say that “Trumpkins” are “pissed” at the freedom caucus all you want, but, that doesn’t make it true.

            Trump saying makes it true. Duh.

            I’m pissed at Ryan, McConnell, and the rest of the festering establishment for reneging on yet another campaign promise.

            Also Trump, because he also made that promise over and over and over again. You know who’s not pissed at Ryan though? Trump.

        • Pablo,

          Pretending Donald Trump “owns” the bill doesn’t alter the basic facts that Paul Ryan had his staffers sit down with lobbyists from the health insurance industry to write the bill. And, if we don’t pass a bill Obamacare is the default. Notice how Paul Ryan is describing Obamacare as “the law of the land.” That’s pathetic.

          Again, you can persist in the fantasy that the freedom caucus has not caved to Obamacare, but, that doesn’t make your fantasy a reality. The freedom caucus is now merely for a some tweeks to Obamacare. Now, you can persist in asserting a fantasy, but, that doesn’t make your fantasy a reality.

          Again, you can persist in the fantasy that Donald J. Trump advocated a clean repeal of Obamacare, but, that doesn’t make your fantasy a reality. He was always for repeal and replace.

          Finally, I can’t say how illogical and irrational it was for you to assert that the opinions of Donald Trump are the opinions of “Trumpkins.” “Duh” is not an argment. It is the high-school debate tactic popularized in the Emperor and His New Clothes. If you have any evidence whatsoever that “Trumpkins” are pissed at the freedom caucus, by all means state it.

          Btw. since you accused me of being a “Trumpkin,” whatever that means, and you are claiming that “Trumpkins are pissed at the freedom caucus,” and, I am not “pissed” at the freedom caucus, are you admitting your assertion that I was a “Trumpkin” wrong? Or, we read yet another intellectually dishonest evasion backed by yet another round of ad hominem abuse?

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