C’Mon, Pro Se, File Your Loco Motions!


The Dreadful Pro-Se Schmalfeldt filed this at the beginning of the hearing this morning on my motions to dismiss his Schmalfeldt v. Hoge, et al. LOLsuit2. Judge Kramer read it before listening to the oral arguments.

The text mentions an Exhibit A, but no such exhibit was served on me.

252 thoughts on “C’Mon, Pro Se, File Your Loco Motions!

  1. IANAL,
    But it seems to me compelled psychiatric evaluation requires quite the bar to hit
    He can disagree with your legal strategy all he wants, but that’s a far cry from arguing you’re crazy.

    Plus didn’t he once use a cite that actually harmed his case? I get all the pro-se’s confused, it may have been one of the others.

    Gotta work in the bogus charges too. Let’s face it, half of Team K’s filings are just a way to make random ad hominem attacks.

  2. Most courts really don’t like the kind of nonsense spewed in that “motion” by Schmalfedt.

    I seriously doubt this guy is every going to wake up and see reality. that being said, if you get this case dismissed – my suggestion would be to drop all the peace order business and just ignore the guy. You are never going to get the kind of vindication you want from the guy. He is never going to see reality and realize his conduct is wrong. All you are doing is expending energy for no real purpose. Even if you get a peace order, he is not going to completely obey it – but he is not going to do enough wrong that a judge will ever do anything to him – it’ll be more of the same – an occasional email, comments on your blog. So, at this point, is it really worth it?

    The real victory is knowing he is a sad little man living in a trailer park, old, with few friends and nobody taking him seriously. If anything, this feud gives his life meaning – it makes him feel important and gives him a purpose. Depriving him of that would be better revenge than a peace order.

    • It is incumbant on all of us to actively fight evil. If you ignore it, it doesn’t cease, it grows and starts attacking others. We are responsible for shining the light of truth on evil and evil-doers. If you ignore cockroaches in your house, what happens? Soon you are living in a roach infested crap-hole.
      If you do not fight, and simply ignore people like this, you are then complicit in the evil they do to their next victim.
      To allow evil to grow and attack others is not a Christian thing to do.

      • I’m not sure appealing a peace order is “fighting evil”. Let’s keep some perspective here. Is this guy sleazy, unethical, immoral? Sure. but getting a peace order accomplishes what? And I’m not sure how Hoge getting a peace order that Schmalfedt can’t contact Hoge “protects others”.

        I think Kimberlin and Schmalfedt are nasty little people. I’m just curious as to what Hoge’s end-game is here? What does he really believe a peace order going to accomplish? My guess is he thinks he’ll get a peace order saying Schmalfedt cannot contact him, but S will send him an email or something at some point, and Hoge will try and get him arrested for that violation. but the judge isn’t going to put S in jail for something like that. So, we are back to square one. What is the practical end point of all this?

      • Monkeytoe: as one of Nill’s named enemies and one named in a LOLsuit filed by Bill and a target of his false accusations, I have skin in this and am much more an accurate gauge of what is needed and what evil is … you are a concern troll and a fool. Go away idiot.

      • Monkeytoe, getting a peace order is the lawful way, in Maryland, of dealing with a person who refuses to stop bothering you. Blocking Schmalfeldt’s email address, twitter account, wordpress ID, whatever [the normal way of shutting out such a person] doesn’t work: he’ll just get another one and keep at it, in an endless game of whack-a-bill. Also, Schmalfeldt hates having the peace orders against him, so they function as a punishment in a way that they would not, on a normal person.

        Father Paul, I think you’re over-reacting to Monkeytoe’s disagreement. I also think John would prefer we all keep the discussion here as civil as possible.

        • You may well be right … I am a bit grumpy as the toxins build up in my body prior to the correction coming this Friday … or at least the first step in the treatment of the underlying cause. Please forgive a grumpy and ill-feeling old man everyone, for stepping beyond the bounds of propriety and being a horse’s ass. My apologies to you all! Back to lurking for me.

      • I should have read further before replying.

        I stand by my comments to Monkeytoe.
        I’m much less sure that Father Paul was over-reacting.

      • Father Paul, I agree with your comments and your “radar” is usually correct. I just think (in that one sentence that probably slipped out) that you were a little too forceful in your suggested course of action for Monkeytoe.

        I agree we must fight evil. I hope you do not go back to lurking and continue to share your thoughts with us. And by the way, I am praying for your health and that of your wife. Good luck this Friday and G-d speed.

    • If we drop the fight against BS, his history shows that all he will do is find another victim that he will go after. Better us than some innocent woman whose children he will threaten to have taken away (again).

      “The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing.”

      I for one will not stand aside .

      • When I first got into this mess one of my kids told me I should just ignore him. So I asked her if that was what she would do if someone was bullying her and she said yes. Then I asked what she would do about someone bullying someone else and she immediately said she’d step in to fight it. I could see the light dawn in her eyes just after she made that remark.

      • My guess is that if we all stood back and did that, all Bill would do is redouble his current efforts. Captain Ahab has found his Great white Whale, and we are it.

      • Librarygryffon,

        It seems to me that Hoge has stood up to the bullying already. He hasn’t backed down, he has fought back, and he continues to poke fun at Kimberlin/Schmalfeldt showing he is not afraid of them. So, deciding not to further pursue the peace order would not be giving up to a bully.

        But, at some point, the question becomes what is the end goal? That’s what I’m getting at here.

        Hoge and Kimberlin’s end goal appears to be to keep filing frivolous lawsuits to waste everyone’s time. But what is it that we (by we I mean Hoge) really want out of all this? that is what I am trying to get at.

        If it is vindication in terms of Schmalfeldt realizing he is wrong? – I doubt that would ever happen. If it is getting Schmalfeldt put in prison? – again, I doubt that is going to happen based on email communications in violation of a peace order. If it is vindication in terms of a court saying “Hoge is right, he is the good guy and Schmalfeldt is the bad guy” – I doubt a court is every going to say anything quite so explicit. So what exactly is “victory” here?

      • That Hear Hear was directed at Canuckamuck!
        The down twinkle on Monkeytoe’s comments is me.

      • You’ve brought up the crux of the matter: Bill Schmalfeldt can’t simply be ignored, because his response to being ignored is to ESCALATE into IRL harassment. As you point out, when thwarted in his pursuit of an enemy, he finds another. And another. The fact his has no valid basis for his IRL attacks and harassment is not much comfort to those that have, for example, lost their jobs.

        I’m of the opinion we should starve him as much as possible of ONLINE attention. When he exposes himself to IRL legal liability, I believe that “murum aries attigit” is the way to go, assuming those injured (such as Mr. Hoge) are willing to shoulder the burden of doing so.

        Personally, I prefer to make it impossible for lice such as Schmalfeldt to harass me personally… and having an ocean between us does help.

        Whether or not Monkeytoe is a TK concern troll, or simply misguided doesn’t matter. Contrary to what I’m garnering from his comments, he seems to be saying that Bill Schmalfeldt enjoys being in the courtroom… I UTTERLY DISAGREE. What Bill Schmafeldt is interested in, is in sociopathically feeding his sweaty-palmed happy place by trying to frighten and control those he (correctly!) views as his betters.

        His mental issues may DRIVE him into such self-destructive behavior as his LOLsuits, but IMO you can read between the lines of his braggadocio and see the abject TERROR.

    • I can’t stress enough how bad your advice is. This is Bill Schmalfeldt we are discussing. We are not discussing Bill Schmalfeldt’s vendetta against John Hoge for being called “some Bozo.” This is about Bill Schmalfeldt against the universe. John Hoge is merely one of several persons upon which Bill Schmalfeldt has fixated. And, he is not just some asshole posting crap on the web. He stalks people electronically. He makes harassing phone calls. He files frivolous police reports. He contacts employers in attempts to have his enemies fired. This is criminal, and it is evil. It didn’t start with John Hoge, and, it won’t end with John Hoge.

      His victims have three basic means of recourse: criminal charges, civil suits, and the peace order process. Prosecutors seem more intent on prosecuting rapists and murderers etc. Schmalfeldt is judgment proof. That leaves the Peace Order process as the only viable alternative. What you are suggesting is telling Bill Schmalfeldt that that process isn’t a deterrent either. In fact, you just told him that yourself.

      Sure, John could save himself, but, only at the cost of knowing that Bill Schmalfeldt has been embolden to harass his next target even more brazenly. My observation isn’t merely a hypothetical. Lee Stranahan and Ali Akbar entered into what was deemed a “truce.” Bill Schmalfeldt gloated that he had made them blink, repeatedly attempted to humiliate them about that fact, and, emboldened, redoubled his negative behavior towards John Hoge.

      • “What you are suggesting is telling Bill Schmalfeldt that that process isn’t a deterrent either. In fact, you just told him that yourself.”

        OK, calm down. I think he already believes it is not a deterrent, and so far, he seems to be proven right to a large degree. That is exactly my point. No judge is ever going to send him to jail or anything else because he write an email or mentions someone on a blog in violation of a peace order – unless he makes some kind of explicit threat, which, he likely won’t do.

        But on a more practical note, the problem here, is that to those outside, it looks like to old guys having a personal feud. Even after reading this site and Worthing’s site, I don’t see the kind of harassment that gets anyone put in jail, even for a weekend. Sure, if you could prove he was behind the swatting – but that is unlikely.

        I’m not saying to do a “truce”. I’m saying to ignore him.

        What, in reality, is the end goal with the peace orders? that is the question. this has been going on for how long, and what have the peace orders accomplished? What do you think they will accomplish down the road? In practical terms I mean.

      • Monkeytoe said: Hoge and Kimberlin’s end goal appears to be to keep filing frivolous lawsuits to waste everyone’s time.

        I can’t speak for Hoge, but it seems that he has merely stood up to those who would demand he shut up. Schmalfeldt will harass others, and Hoge’s actions may provide a road map for those who find themselves in his cross-hairs.

        There is NO equivalence here. This is NOT two old guys feuding. This is Bill Schmalfeldt suing John Hoge because John writes about Bill and Brett Kimberlin.

      • Toastrider,

        “Ah, someone who’s more interested in ‘practical’ than ‘right’. How droll.”

        Unfortunately, the court system is not about “right” and “wrong” for the most part. In this instance, they are not going to review Hoge and Schmalfeldt’s characters and declare one the good guy and the other the bad guy do something to bring justice. If Hoge wins his appeal for a peace order – what does that do?

        Everyone here is very caught up in Hoge fighting this fight no matter what – but perhaps some aspects of this is wasted energy.

        getting a peace order against Schmalfeldt isn’t “fighting evil”. It doesn’t stop
        Schmalfeldt from being a jackass. It likely won’t even stop him from contacting Hoge.

        If Hoge wants to pursue it – that’s his business. I’m just wondering if it is worth the energy. And, I honestly believe that Schmalfeldt loves this stuff – he loves the attention. So, by keeping it going, you are actually giving Schmalfeldt what he wants.

      • “No judge is ever going to send him to jail or anything else because he write an email or mentions someone on a blog in violation of a peace order”

        Really, Monkeytoe? You’re gonna speak for the entire judiciary of Maryland? And state categorically that a judge isn’t going to tire of his crap and put him in jail for a weekend, or fine him $500 or so?

        I, Judge View of the Netherlands, hereby find you GUILTY of the crime of CONCERN TROLLING, and sentence you to go hump someone else’s leg.

        Court’s adjourned.

      • Early in this, one person arranged for me to listen in a free webinar about dealing with harassment. Their advice was to lay low and they will move on to a new target. Stop doing things that make them angry, even if you have a right to do it. And so on.

        Mind you, at this point it was not about Schmalfeldt. He had barely registered on the scene, if at all. It was Brett Kimberlin, Neal Rauhauser, and Ron Brynaert.

        And i said to them, “but i don’t want them to move on. Moving on means someone else is harmed, and by being silent, I might be enabling them to do it. The solution is to stop them, not to let them move on to a new target.”

        Schmalfeldt is a less extreme example of that. But I agree with BSB. MT’s advice is poor. But I am not ready to call him a concern troll.

        In any case, concern troll or not, its a question worth answering.

      • Pauly,

        j”Also, If you seek to throw strawmen and usless other charges (especially Christianity) at least get my name right
        Go away, ceast commenting on my comments and responding to my comments. 2nd request. Or do you prefer I get Mr. Aaron Walker, Esq. my attorney, to send that to you formally, in writing? Your choice Mr.”I’m An Experienced Attorney” concern troll? You can respond formally to this by providing a photocopy of your bar license and physical contact information and the address of your law firm for service of mentioned Cease and Desist letter sent to plemmen55@gmail.com.”

        please, have Aaron send me such a letter. If he does, he is a lousy attorney, as such a cease and desist letter would have absolutely no force and affect and he hopefully knows it. I don’t need to send you my bar license, I would never willing give out info about myself to a con-man such as yourself.

        Why don’t you open up that can of whup ass on me you promised instead?

        regardless, it doesn’t matter whether you believe I am an attorney. it does not effect the points I have made on iota whether or not I am an attorney, my points stand for themselves.

        but please, send me your cease and desist letter from Aaron. I’ve read Aaron’s work that he posts on his own blog – it’s OK. entirely competent legal work. Way too much passive voice, but that is par for the course with most attorneys. But a cease and desist letter to me would have as much force and effect as your inane order for me to stop responding to you.

        for everyone else – do people really believe this is how an alleged “priest” would act? Seriously? In what faith?

        Too funny. Lemmen, you are a trip., that you have so many people here fooled shows you are damn good as a con man though, so I give you kudos for that.

    • Paul Lemmon;

      Your comments to me don’t seem in keeping with your claim of being some kind of religious man. If you look through this site – you’ll see I have posted in the past. I am merely asking relevant questions, are you that pathetic that all you can do in response is shout “shut up” and call me names? How does that make you different than Schmalfeldt? Seriously? What have I said that deserves such animosity?

      As an attorney, I have had many clients in battles like these – where there is no “winning”. I have had to sit them down and give them the “come to Jesus” talk and explain that despite what they perceived as the principle involved, they were losing more by pursuing litigation than they would ever gain. As I pointed I have repeatedly asked – what is the end goal here? That’s all I’m asking. I’m trying to be practical. From what I’ve read, I think Schmalfeldt is a dishonest, immoral, creep just like you. I just don’t see the practicality in keeping the feud alive.

      And as for you having “skin the game” because you were named in OTHER lawsuits – that has nothing to do with Hoge appealing a peace order denial.

      So, if your religion tells you to call me names and refuse to have a rational discussion, then so be it. Please continue. Sorry to rain on your parade by trying to point out that in practical terms, it appears to me that Hoge continuing the feud with Schmalfedt actually makes Schmalfeldt happy (it gives his crummy little life some meaning), but does not appear to accomplish any goal for Hoge (note, I’m not saying that Hoge shouldn’t continue to defend the action by Schmalfeldt – just that I don’t see the value in pursuing the peace order any further).

      • I simply pointed out that you are an idiotic concern troll out to sow doubt and dissension and asked you to go away. Please cease responding to me or to comment on my comments. That’s the nice me, you do not want to see the angry me.

      • Ah, someone who’s more interested in ‘practical’ than ‘right’. How droll.

        Door’s to your left.

      • Also, If you seek to throw strawmen and usless other charges (especially Christianity) at least get my name right
        Go away, ceast commenting on my comments and responding to my comments. 2nd request. Or do you prefer I get Mr. Aaron Walker, Esq. my attorney, to send that to you formally, in writing? Your choice Mr.”I’m An Experienced Attorney” concern troll? You can respond formally to this by providing a photocopy of your bar license and physical contact information and the address of your law firm for service of mentioned Cease and Desist letter sent to plemmen55@gmail.com.
        Else, shut up.

      • putting aside principle when you are dealing with say, a slip and fall is one thing. Doing so when it comes to free speech is another. Schmalfeldt has made it clear that he is doing this as a way to intimidate people into silence about Brett Kimberlin. So he will not stop until we stop talking about Brett.

      • I’m not a religious man. You are a flaming example of a concern troll. You are a dead give away from the way you try to frame every argument as 1) hopeless for Hoge, 2) that both parties are equal, 3) that nothing will be done regardless of the outcome.

        Anyone with even s smidgen of experience with a concern troll can spot you from a mile away. Poor effort and showing on your part..

    • Dave Alexander (and others),

      “Monkeytoe said: Hoge and Kimberlin’s end goal appears to be to keep filing frivolous lawsuits to waste everyone’s time . . .”

      My apologies – this must be where the disconnect is coming from. I meant to write Schmalfeldt and Kimberlin’s end goal appears to be . . . ” NOT Hoge.

      I am not saying they are equivalent. And I am not saying Hoge should stop defending lawsuits brought by Kimberlin and/or Schmalfeldt.

      I’m saying that pursuing the appeal of the peace order seems like a waste of energy and effort – leading to my question, what is the end game for that? What is the goal. As I’ve said, I don’t really see it leading to any kind of real victory even if Hoge gets a peace order.

      My comment about it looking to outsiders like two old men feuding was meant to mean that when a Court gets a discreet part of this – such as on a Peace Order, they don’t get the full flavor that everyone here has seen, so all they see is some nasty posts/comments/emails back and forth. My experience with Courts is that the judge is going to look at is and say – this is just 2 guys who really don’t like each other and not be inclined to look further into it.

    • Pauly-boy,

      “I simply pointed out that you are an idiotic concern troll out to sow doubt and dissension and asked you to go away. Please cease responding to me or to comment on my comments. That’s the nice me, you do not want to see the angry me.”

      Straight out of the Schmalfeldt playbook. You really are no different then him. And your comments make me seriously question your claim to religiosity. too funny. Can’t hack a civil discussion? That makes you what? Better than Schmalfeldt? How?

      Seriously, in what way do you believe the silly above threat and name calling makes you better than Schmalfeldt? And in what way is it “Christian”?

      Please. Give me your worst. Nothing I’ve written is nearly as evil as your response. Take a deep look at yourself.

      • Monkeytoe, You are a member of the bar? Are you familiar with the abuse and harassment Mr. Hoge has received? I am dumbfounded by your suggestion, if you are familiar; if you are not, then you are arguing from ignorance (local, not general).

        Assuming that you are not fully versed in the past two years of harassment (local ignorance); I will tell you that Mr. Hoge has attempted to “drop all the peace order business…” only to have Bill re-engage and escalate.

        You ask what is the end game for a peace order. If, as I understand, you are a lawyer; I would ask you the exact same question, and add why doesn’t it work? The peace order application explicitly states that Mr. Hoge is requesting that Bill not contact him, his residence, his family or his place of employment. Bill ignores these restrictions, and the State does nothing.

        So, as a lawyer, what good are the courts? What good are the laws?

      • “Nothing I’ve written is nearly as evil as your response.”

        Bullshit. –> “Straight out of the Schmalfeldt playbook. You really are no different then him.”

        Accusing someone of behaving just like Bill Schmalfeldt, and asserting they are no better and/or no different than Bill Schmalfeldt is far worse and far more ugly. And, really, Monkeytoe? Someone calling you a “concern troll” and an “idiot” is what passes for “evil” in your world? *smdh*

        “Take a deep look at yourself.”

        Good advice, Monkeytoe. Advice you may want to heed yourself.

        Advising someone to give up a fight against forces of (real) evil? Advising someone to give up fighting to protect themselves and their family from harassment, stalking, threats, and abuse?

        Shameful. Take a deep look, indeed.

      • In what way is name calling better than Schmalfeldt? Let’s see…

        He didn’t photoshop you into an obscene sexual image for starters. He did not try to have you fired. He did not threaten to have your children forcibly removed from your home. He did not put your image, in a number of photoshopped modifications, on the covers of his books and “comedy” CDs that he attempts to sell for non-evidentiary purposes.

        I don’t know that you understand exactly the depths Paul would have to plumb to become the equivalent of Bill Schmalfeldt.

        A distasteful response, perhaps. Anywhere close to Bill? Not so much.

      • Grace, I could not have said it better myself.

        I was trying to see Monkeytoe’s point of view, but his comparison of Father Paul to the Blob threw that right out the window. He also did not help himself by questioning Father Paul’s bona fides.

        I can only conclude that he is indeed a concern troll and does not understand evil when he sees it. Father Paul, your vision is clear and your radar was accurate again.

        “Pauly-boy”?? Really? Monkeytoe, are you feeling superior or just a little paternalistic? If I was to take your line of attack, I would then say, “And who does that remind you of?”

      • I think some looking in the mirror is appropriate. I think Paul, honestly, you might be overreacting. But so is MT. and i do think a time out between you two was a reasonable suggestion, that MT should have followed.

        i will add one thing. Paul was inside the belly of the beast. I take what he says about the beast a little more seriously than others.

      • “I don’t know that you understand exactly the depths Paul would have to plumb to become the equivalent of Bill Schmalfeldt.”

        Lemmen has already done far worse in his life than Schmalfeldt and he is conning you even now. He stole/embezzeled money, kited checks, stole valor posing as a serviceman. He admits it now because it is part of his new con to convince you that he has changed, but his comments here demonstrate he is no man of god.

        I responded to Pauly-boy in kind to his mean spirited.childish comments to me. that you cannot see that again shows the limited level of intellect of commenters here.

        The inability to look at the situation rationally is sad.

        A number of commenters pointed out how terrible, terrible the photoshopped photos were. But, in reality, that is not really illegal. A court is simply not going to put someone in jail for that. Which is my point. You ask why Maryland won’t “do something” – I stated several times that a court simply is not going to imprison someone because of nasty comments (or photos). It just is not going to happen. If you makes an explicit threat, than yes.

        But, people say nasty things about Schmalfeldt here. So all he is going to do in response to Hoge’s claims is show the nasty comments about him here and the name calling. Now, you’ll argue (and I’ll likely agree) that Schmalfeldt’s stuff is worse. But the Court won’t care – the court will just see two groups of people calling each other names. That is why the peace order is not going to accomplish anything – Maryland (nor any other state) is going to imprison someone for speech. the speech might be very offensive, even lewd or obscene, but it will not result in jail-time or fines or anything else for Schmalfeldt.

        Which is why I don’t really see the value in the time and energy spent pursuing the peace order. that was all I was saying from the start, but was attacked so childishly for saying it, I have begun to realize that people here are as unhinged as the Kimberlin/Schmalfeldt group.

        Somone else implied I’m not really an attorney because “they can’t believe I’d say these things”. that’s just stupid. But, whatever, assume I’m not an attorney. It doesn’t change any of the points I’m making.

        Hoge didn’t win the peace order in the first instance for the very reason I’m talking about here. I’m highly doubtful he’ll win on appeal. But even if he does, he gets a piece of paper saying that Schmalfeldt can’t contact him. But, the problem with that is that if Schmalfeldt does contact Hoge, the Court (unfortunately) likely won’t do anything about it. A Court is going to be very, very, very loathe to jail someone for sending a text or email.

        but, Hoge can, of course, do what he wants. It’s his time and energy. I was just seeing if anyone had considered what the practical end-game was and whether it was in fact worth the effort. Apparently, that question is so evil that people cannot even handle it without swooning and an alleged man of god must go off half-cocked on the attack.

        If you really take a deep breath and think about it, you will all be pretty ashamed at your behavior over my comments.

      • “I was trying to see Monkeytoe’s point of view, but his comparison of Father Paul to the Blob threw that right out the window. He also did not help himself by questioning Father Paul’s bona fides”

        the guy was caught conning people as recently as 2012. And now he is some kind of priest? Really? And I can’t question his bona fides – after the ridiculous un-christian comments he published?

        You people have no rational capacity. I get that now. When Pauly takes you for some $$, don’t say you were not warned.

      • MonkeyToe –

        You didn’t ask about Paul’s past, for which he has confessed and paid the price the law demanded of him. If he is now conning us all, by (by reports, I have admittedly not seen evidence one way or the other) all reports, he is doing so by providing useful intel on Team Kimberlin. Please save me from all such help. He wants forgiveness for assistance? I am fine with that. If his conversion is in fact honest (which I suspect, but I admit I’ve never met the man) then so much the better.

        Experience from Hoge’s point of view (again, from what is published) is that the level of harrasment drops, or at least the level of plausible deniability goes up, when the Sword of Damocles dangles above Bill’s bloated pimple of a head. Like a zit that fears Clearasil, he shrinks back and is not as obvious an irritant.

        I will agree that Paul has, in the past, stolen money and valor. He admits this freely. Has he ever threatened mothers with having the state sieze their children? You can make a convincing case either way as to which is worse; which side you take says more about you and me than it does about Paul.

        So perhaps Hoge should just bend over and take it. I’d accuse you of being one of Bill’s socks, but he’d have already said “Bend over and take it Hoggy!” with one or six photoshops of Hoge and family thrown in to the mix. So maybe you aren’t one of Bill’s socks, you don’t stink enough, perhaps one of the other TK members who actually bathes?

        Just asking.

    • Monkeytoe; it is important to realize that Bill is not just some crank. I mean is a crank, but he was sicced on Mr. Hoge as a distraction from the activities and history of his “Excellent Friend” Brett C. Kimberlin.

      Brett Kimberlin contrived to have Aaron Walker thrown in jail for writing ABOUT him. Mr. Hoge noted this instance of “shutuppery” and went on to write ABOUT Brett. One of the things Mr. Hoge helped many of us to learn is that by his actions and words, Brett has an affinity for young women; too young. There are legal filings that seem to indicate that Brett brought a then fifteen year old girl from the Ukraine to the US to have her local and develop a romantic and sexual relationship.

      Brett’s own AUTHORIZED biography pretty much spells out that Brett was “courting” another underaged girl (12 or 13 yoa?) until her grandmother put a stop to their relationship. The grandmother was subsequently assassinated. Draw your own conclusions, the local PD did and began an investigation. That investigation was disrupted when Brett started planting bombs around the town. Look up “Speedway Bomber”. One of which bombs blew a man’s leg off.

      So Bill, who claims Brett as his “Excellent Friend” who drives him to court etc. is not JUST some crank; he is a risible, disgusting worm and a sociopathic, petulant man-child who must be MADE to abide by civilized norms or removed from society by the courts.

      • “So Bill, who claims Brett as his “Excellent Friend” who drives him to court etc. is not JUST some crank; he is a risible, disgusting worm and a sociopathic, petulant man-child who must be MADE to abide by civilized norms or removed from society by the courts”

        I don’t disagree with that. But what is the end goal here of the peace order appeal? To accomplish what?

        If Hoge wins and gets a peace order requiring Schmalfeldt not to contact him, then Schmalfeldt sends him an email (assuming there is no threat in the email), what do you think will happen? Hoge will seek to have Schmalfeldt arrested, but it is unlikely a court will imprison Schmalfeldt based on that, so you have a violation with no real punishment. Meanwhile, Schmalfeldt will likely appeal the peace order and continue his other silly lawsuits. So, what has Hoge gained? Really nothing, but he has lost time and effort. That is my point.

        Hoge has already accomplished what he needed to – stood up to bullying, exposed Schmalfeldt and Kimberlin, etc. It is unlikely that he gets anything further through the courts at this point.

      • Monkeytoe, our comments are passing in the ether. Why won’t the State (Maryland) live up to it’s promise to keep the peace? There are specific statutes that allow one person to engage the power of the State to prohibit another person from bugging them night and day. Mr. Hoge has sought that protection and the State has failed.

        Now I’m not a fan of Maryland, they’ve got major issues and it would be a hefty salary that lured me there; but are we in agreement that they have failed completely in providing the services they promised their citizens?

      • Monkeytoe

        I get what you are saying and I understand why you ask what is the end game. Yes, Bill has been subject to a PO that he then violated. Yes he was hauled into court on criminal charges where the judge said, “Well, he didn’t mean any harm” and let him off.

        I don’t pretend to know what is in John’s mind, but my opinion is that after securing another PO and having Bill violate it again (you know he will, he can’t help himself) the court is going to look much less favorably on not imposing SOME measure of punishment on him since he will now be a repeat offender. Maybe it’s a fine, maybe a weekend in lockup, or maybe X number of hours picking up trash on the side of the road. The bottom line is that there will be something concrete that should get through the concrete shell Bill calls his skull and he’ll realize that he need to stop stalking and harassing people.

        TL:DR – I have no idea what John’s game plan is but I’ve seen enough of him in court to know he knows what he is doing and trust that things are preceding as he has seen.

    • 1. Blob simply does not go away.
      2. To stand down against this reprobate is to concede defeat and empower him to new madness.
      3. John Hoge is no fool.With both Kimberlin and Schmalfeldt, he’s waded into battle with his eyes wide open. He seems to have decided that it ends when it’s over, and not until.

    • Toe, if you have seen what the Graceful host has received in comments, the bile, the harmful and the slanderous, you would not be going to let it slide.

      Mr Hoge deserves protection from the members of Team Kimberlin, they are the escalators in this situation and they are the ones who have continued to harass the host even after trying to undertake a noble settlement.

      BS should be banned from the internet, his tactics are offensive to all, he has tried to get children taken away from their caring parents, just so that he could get information that he had no requirement to access. He is evil in his intent and as can be seen in the above pathetic submission, extremely delusional. He claims he is protecting his wife, he got back home from the diagnosis and spent hours abusing everyone at a tweet a minute whilst claiming that others were abusing him. He runs into a building screaming fire, continues to do so until people are no longer paying attention and then lights a fire as no one is looking anymore. Projection is what is clear in his submission, he believes that everyone is out to attack him, when I am very sure that if he never contacted anyone involved from this side ever again he would be left alone.

      He is the one undertaking the activities, I am not sure if they were a cry for help that certain lesser moral standing individuals decided to abuse his position and turned him into a willing footsoldier for the Army of Stupid, but he has now been a constant source of abuse for way to long and he has shown that without legal protection, he will continue to do it. He needs court supervision for his activities, because he is not a functional member of society without it.

      You say leave him alone, that was tried and he came and could not stop attacking our host. He is a pathetic trailer park tragic, but that does not excuse him from his actions and no one should be under the threats made by him, regardless of his actual location and station in life. If he was attacking you, they way he attacks John, you would be fighting back. Do you ignore someone, just because he is not targeting you, do you wait until he tires and claim victory. John has waited for 2 years +, how long should he go on accepting this bullying behaviour from a psychopath.

      You may think the comments on here stoke the fires, if you go back to the start, most of us could not believe what Aaron and then John were being subject to. As time moved on and the rampant abuse continued, many stopped turning their bruised cheek and looked the bullies in the eye. They should have run then, but these boys are too stupid to realise that they chose the wrong people. Go and read Aaron’s story and ask if he should turn the cheek. Neither Bill nor Kimberlin deserve grace, they had multiple chances and now they deserve judicial retribution.

      • If you believe he will ever be banned from the internet, or not allowed to comment about others because of a peace order, you do not understand the law. that is exactly my point. If Hoge gets a peace order, it won’t be able to stop Schmalfeldt from commenting about Hoge, or anyone else. It would merely stop Schmalfeldt from contacting Hoge. So your belief that Hoge is fighting for some bigger thing in the peace order process is sorely mistaken. That is my point. Getting the peace order will accomplish little to nothing.

        If that is how Hoge wants to spend his time – that’s fine. I was just making a suggestion based on my experience in similar situations. the bitter anger over the suggestion is really something to behold. Nobody has actually made a rational response to my question/suggestion – just a lot of emotion about good vs. evil. It is disheartening to see such a lack of rationale thought.

    • okay, i will weigh in on the monkey toe issue. one post at a time. so my views might evolve.

      MT is expressing a reasonable, but wrong point of view. Schmalfeldt will eventually exhaust the patience of everyone involved. It took a while for the State’s Attorney to see how vile Schmalfeldt is. but they did and prosecuted him. It took a while for judge jones to see how awful he is, but she granted the temporary order. sooner or later, Schmalfeldt will piss off enough people to face real consequences.

      So i don’t see concern trolling, yet. But i could be wrong.

      • I know a way for MT to get his answer AND stop insulting regulars on this blog. And you will find no better source from whom to ask your questions. Just email Mr Hoge at hogewash@wjjhoge.com and ask him. He would be primary source, but I’m not sure you will get a reply. I can’t think of any reason to reveal confidential legal strategy & tactics to a complete stranger. But please give it a shot.

        If your goal was only to concern troll Team Free Speech, then you’ve accomplished your goal. Let this be the end of it.

  3. An exhibit of pure dementia and demented projection on the part of Bill.
    Evil exists in this world. Anyone who disbelieves in evil, just show them this.
    William Matthew Schmalfeldt is a pure example of evil and the nefarious ways that Satan attacks believers in Christ Jesus through his witting and unwitting followers.

    • Let’s strive to be fair here. After all, WJJH diabolically forced William to file suit just as Gail was slipping into the sweet hereafter, so I think we all know whose fault it is that court appearances are made and hospital visit are left at the wayside.

      HOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOGE!

      • Oh, like the time WJJH checked his Farmer’s Almanac for the weather report a couple months out before filing suit? He’s a tricksy one, that Hoge…

  4. It seems like only last week that William demanded “independent verification from his pals” regarding an accident that Paul Krendler’s daughter was in. If that’s the standard he’s set, why is there no such verification of his bride’s various maladies?

    Leaving the diagnoses blank was a nice touch, too.

    • I also notice that none of Bill’s “friends” have publicly expressed any condolences to Bill. According to what Bill wrote concerning Paul and John, that is an outright admission that Bill is lying.

      • Again, as I remember the standard William set last week, that means that they really don’t like him that much and are using him to further their own battles.

  5. So this was his final draft, not a rough working copy that should not see the light of day? I mean, he didn’t even fill in the blank.

    • Besides being a renowned attorney, William is also a well regarded medical expert. He doesn’t know what it is, but by God, he knows it’s terminal. If you doubt me on that, know that he diagnosed an impending coma over the telephone just last night. Did House ever do that? Of course he didn’t!

      And questioning his expertise just makes us cruel.

  6. Astonishing bit of chutzpah there. He declares his wife has a terminal condition, named ‘blank’? And then bangs on about how Hoge, et.al. are abusing his poor dying wife (who I seriously doubt reads the blog).

    I did get a chuckle out of ‘Did Defendant Hoge say mean things about me? (paraphrased)’. Well, yes, yes he did. Unfortunately, they were also true. Stop being Stumblebomber’s bitch, Bill.

  7. Schmalfeldt’s reply brief above sounds like the ravings of a lunatic, or at the very least, a 14 year old girl in a snit fight with a friend at junior high school. The sheer depth of Bill’s irrationality surely will not be missed by the judge: Bill is a maladjusted crank, not anyone to be taken seriously.

  8. I love how he says that the TOS have changes since he last admitted to knowing them and that despite admitting to the court that he has read the new one thoroughly and understoood it (how else would he know they’ve changed) that he still shouldn’t be bound by them because he didn’t click a button confirming that he’s read it and understood it.

    One would think that an admission to the court would be stronger than a simple “click through” of something most people likely wouldn’t bother reading. I mean, I always scour the EULA for any possible issues before hitting the “Accept” button unlike all you other buffoons.

    • I disagree. I believe he(?) is sincere in his question of what is the end goal, and is of the pragmatic mind set. And events to date have shown him to have a point – nothing Mr Hoge can do in a court of law is going to stop Bill Schmalfeldt from being the complete ass that he is.

      I would ask that people exhibit the courtesy that our host has shown on many occasions, and take Monkeytoe at his word until proven otherwise.

      • Sorry, but I find it highly questionable that given the length of time this has been playing out a “new” poster comes along with the basic message “you can’t win, so why not simply quit”. There is plenty of back story to research, and I just happen to be very skeptical by nature.

        Besides, do you really think that if Mr. Hoge just gave up that he would be left alone?

        I await your analysis of that scenario.

      • We are of like minds AD, but it would help if he was less dismissive of Mr. Hoge’s motivations. In the bigger picture, Mr. Hoge is fighting for what is right and law. While the courts may not care about “right or wrong”, they damn well should care about the law. Unfortunately, as we saw last month they seem to be more interested in avoiding what they consider beneath them; a tone MT seems to echo. Accordingly, Mr. Hoge has to go to higher courts to find forthright application of the statutes.

        If we (Mr. Hoge) abandon the appeals, then not only will Bill take that as victory and permission to harass at will; the conclusive statement will be that the heckler has a veto, and laws are not for everyone, but only the connected or properly aligned.

        If Maryland won’t uphold their laws for everyone; then why should ANYONE obey? This is the fundamental fabric of the social contract.

      • Darth – let me explain. I am not agreeing with him – I am just asking that people consider taking his comments to be made in good faith with what he believes. I disagree with him: Mr. Hoge MUST keep fighting that piece of filth.

        When I replied “I disagree” to you, I meant about your characterization of monkeytoe. Not about our shared belief that Mr. Hoge is doing the right thing. Sorry – wasn’t as clear as I could have been.

      • AD: I can tolerate disagreement, men of good character can disagree and still debate strategy and tactics. I know that most of the regular posters here are on the side of justice; early on I was accused of being a troll/Moby (which I believe has been forgotten by most). I do not post very often, primarily due to my work travels/schedule, but I do keep up and lurk.

        While he may be making comments/observations that run contrary to the prevailing opinion, and they should be taken as a “devil’s advocate” perspective.

        However, I am still skeptical and remain unconvinced. But perhaps he could prove me wrong.

      • Darth, and AD: I think MT is more likely sincere than not, but also think he’s not fully cognizant of the history here, and that he’s subconsciously including the billable hours of an attorney in the cost/benefit analysis he’s half-assing here.

        Of course WJJH is expending time, money, and effort, but not as much money as he might if he were not proceeding pro se in this case.

        The less polite MT is in defending his concerns…the more I doubt his sincerity.

    • I have no idea who MonkeyToe is, but they have been commenting here for a while and I think are expressing a frustration most of us have felt at one point or another during this saga where you ask, “If MD is not going to enforce their own laws, why bother?”. Remember when Aaron, IIRC, was told to stay out of MD if he didn’t want to be stalked? Remember when Bill was allowed to walk after admitting to intentionally violating the PO? Remember when Bill published the Stranahan address and pics of their house in response to his friends post saying someone should go rape Lee’s wife? Remember that MD didn’t give a shit?

      I think at some point we’ve all asked why fight so hard if the very state that is supposed to protect you doesn’t give a shit?

      • No Dianna, but in the very vein that AV, AG and DC are mining; that is a nice historical reference.

      • No, it’s not a good idea. That’s why we have laws establishing a procedure to force someone to stop bothering you — taking the matter out of personal hands and into the (theoretically) neutral hands of the state.

        But Maryland’s courts have decided they don’t care — not even to the point of following their own laws on jurisdiction, let alone enforcing a peace order.

      • All of you who call me a concern troll and claim I have stated I would never fight or whatever you armchair warriors are claiming –

        Grow up. I clearly said that he should fight the litigation AGAINST him, but hat purusing the peace orders at this point likely had no value. I didn’t say “give up” or “let him do whatever he wants”. You are just being childish by claiming that.

        Good lord. Are there any adults here capable of rationale conversation? Seriously? I’m a “concern troll” because I asked what the end game was and suggested it might not be worthwhile to pursue the peace order appeal?

        I pointed out – correctly I believe – that Schmalfeldt appears to love this stuff, so keeping it going actually benefits him – it gives him purpose and attention. Ignoring him would be far worse to his self esteem.

        but you go ahead and interpret it in the childish way your moral high horses make you.

    • Normally, Darth, I would tell you to embrace the power of ‘AND’, but I think d) In need of reading Mike Malone’s blog. is a viable answer.

      • Whenever someone suggests that giving critters such as monkeytoe the “benefit of the doubt”, I think upon how Mike Malone gave Bill Schmalfeldt the benefit of the doubt, and how that played out.

        If Monkeytoe doesn’t want to be accused of concern trolling, he should quit concern trolling…. or go hang out at one of the unread Team Kimberlin web sites.

      • As a commenter, Monkeytoe has shared with us what he believes our Gentle Host should do — give up on pursuing Peace Orders to protect him and his family from the stalking sociopath Bill Schmalfeldt’s relentless, lawless, and abusive harassment.

        As an attorney, Monkeytoe has told us how he would instruct his clients in a similar situation — give up on pursuing Peace Orders to protect themselves and their families from a stalking sociopath’s relentless, lawless, and abusive harassment.

        What Monkeytoe — the person, the spouse, the parent, the friend — hasn’t told us? He hasn’t told us how he would handle the situation if HE were the one walking around in the harassed and abused shoes. Should we assume he would forego pursuing any-and-all legal means to end unwanted, annoying, and troublesome contact? Should we assume he would simply sit back and take it? Should we assume he would allow his family to sit back and take it? Let’s say Monkeytoe has a young, adult daughter… how would he counsel her in dealing with two+ years of relentless harassment and abuse and threats courtesy of a stalking sociopath?

        Even if we were to remove the whole Good vs Evil and Right vs Wrong and Justice vs Injustice aspect from the equation… what would Monkeytoe do if all of this were directly and personally affecting his life and the manner in which he was able to live his life?

      • “As an attorney, Monkeytoe has told us how he would instruct his clients in a similar situation — give up on pursuing Peace Orders to protect themselves and their families from a stalking sociopath’s relentless, lawless, and abusive harassment.”

        If that is what he would advise a client then IMHO he is not much of an attorney.

    • Darth – please elaborate why I am a conern troll or a moby or both?

      What have I said that is so outrageous that I can’t possibly be acting in good faith?

      Do you see how insular and childish your thinking is? It is ridiculous. It is essentially thus “someone said something I don’t agree with – they must be a bad evil person”. That I usually see from leftists. It’s sad that such is what passes for “thinking” around here.

  9. Am I the only one that’s mildly disturbed by the fact that, as the hospitals are frantically searching for nickles to put on Gail”s eyes, William is responding to Hogewash comments on the very Twitters that he swore he was done with just five days ago?

  10. “When did I swear I was done with Twitter? Such drama queens, these Lickspittles be.”

    4 days ago, on Dave’s blog:

    “Look. You guys win. Hoge got me kicked off of Twitter for having multiple accounts — something he has done himself. Shit, we all have backup accounts, but I am so sick of all of this I am not going to start another one, so I can’t use that to communicate.”

    You’re a liar, Bill.

  11. BTW — isn’t his claim that John is charged with a crime false? All that’s happened is a summons to a hearing to see if there should be charges, right?

    Cabin Boy is lucky that court filings are privileged.

  12. Funny, BS is following TweetDelete on his new account. But, I thought BS never deleted tweets? Maybe BS doesn’t count himself as doing it because a service like this does it “automatically.”

  13. I think Bill Schmalfeldt needs some light, cheerful entertainment to take his mind off the horrors of his current mortal existence.

    I suggest the laugh riot comedy “Wit”, from 2001. Based on a play, it’s available on DVD. Any movie with Emma Thompson and Christopher Lloyd has got to be good, right?

    Enjoy, Shakey.

    And…. Be well!

  14. I can see by the number of down twinkles it it time for me to shut up and slink away, I am not really welcome here. Thanks for all the up votes over the past few years, Thanks those few who have prayed for me and mine, those prayers are treasured and deeply appreciated. I wish you all well and ask God’s blessings on you all, well-wishers and haters alike, you have all taught me many lessons. I’ll lurk, but for the foreseeable future, this is it as far as commenting goes. I’m cranky and out of sorts, a grumbly old man. Pauly-boy signing off …

    • Now you’re just being silly. Between your past, and your current profession counseling ex-cons, I can’t believe that you haven’t heard worse, or that you expect sunshine and roses all the time. Down twinkles? Really? Compared to liver cancer that didn’t beat you? My two cents: take a break, rest for your surgery, and come back when you feel up to kicking some a$$ again.

      • +100 up twinkles, A Reader.

        Self-imposed timeouts from social media can be good for the soul. If Father Paul needs a little time — we’ve most likely all been there before. But, again — no slinking away and no signing off allowed. 🙂

      • +∞ up twinkles for A Reader #1 and Grace. I would say infinity squared. My wife would say infinity raised to the infinity power. Girl power and all that. She always has to top me. 🙂

        Father Paul, you are not looking on the positive side of things. Many more people support you now. You have been changing minds here, not just in your service to ex-cons. You’ve been successful. Don’t stop now. Please return after your surgery. In the meantime, your voice will be missed.

    • That down twinkle right there belongs to me, Father Paul. No slinking away and no signing off, sir. Disagreements happen. Hogewash! does not serve as an echo chamber. This separates Team Lickspittle from the bedwetting, kool-aid guzzling, mind-numbed leftists. This is a very good thing.

      I didn’t read the words of a “cranky and out of sorts, grumbly old man.” I read words sprinkled with a healthy dose of righteous anger and disgust at injustice in the face of evil (Yeah — with some namecalling tossed in for good measure. Heh.). Everyone is capable of communicating in less than polite terms at times. Most view it as a little slapping around in the midst of an intense debate and move on. We’re all adults here.

      Heck. Maybe you are “cranky, out of sorts, and grumbly.” Perfectly understandable considering what has been on your very, very full plate as of late. But, we Lickspittles are a thick-skinned sort. A little cranky and grumbly doesn’t scare us a bit, and it is most certainly NOT a good reason for you to remove yourself. Your input is valuable. Kindly hang around.

    • I down-twinkled this too. I have never seen anything from you that would justify excluding you from the conversation. Especially when we disagree.

      • Paul –

        You (maybe, argueably, perhaps) went overboard in responding to what certainly appears to be a concern troll. You didn’t type anything I didn’t at least think.

    • It’s not that you’re unwelcome, it’s that you let your temper get the better of you. It’s not a personal judgment, it’s a comment on behavior.

      Or, “What? Do I whiff the odor of burning martyr?” Does not appeal.

    • Father:

      Remember the words of Jesus, “Father, forgive them for they know not what they do!”

      You chose the priesthood and all that comes with it. Regardless of whatever else may have transpired, you are an ordained priest and your lot in life is to deal with whatever comes your way, Father!

      Now we’ll have no more talk of leaving the battlefield! Your job is to make sure that Team Kimberlin leaves the battlefield post haste. You are an integral part of the team!

    • Always welcome and always prayers with you and yours. But I understand the need to just lurk for a while. Just don’t be a stranger.

    • Given my reputation as being flawlessly polite and adhering to the strictest standards of decorum, I believe it is my place to interject the following at this point:

      F*ck the f*cking concern troll, and the horse he rode out on.

      The problem with the written word is that it is easy to phrase things in ways that may strike another in an entirely different way.

      The only sin you committed, IMNSHO, is that you let the troll irk you. By all means, take a break if you’d like to, but don’t take down-twinkles personally, especially when you don’t know who down-twinkled you and what they were thinking at the time.

      Take care!

      • Yes. You are an adult and much better than Schmalfeldt. Call me names and be an ass because I asked questions. Good job. Idiot.

      • Monkeytoe,

        “Given my reputation as being flawlessly polite and adhering to the strictest standards of decorum” is SARCASM. I’m not much for being polite to trolls and my standards of decorum lack… um.. decorum. The fact you didn’t recognize that sarcasm tells me that you’re not only a concern troll, but you’re a BAD one. If only I had a blog linked to my alias so you could have done a bit of basic oppo research before further embarrassing yourself!

        Meanwhile, the fact you decided to inject yourself into the conversation where I was consoling the person you griefed is yet another bit of evidence confirming the self-evident. It’s almost as if a wounded and demoralized Father Paul was a GOAL for you.

        “You are an adult and much better than Schmalfeldt.”

        Yep. But the former is simple numbers on a calendar, and the latter is simply not being a sociopathic stalking creep. Not only am I an adult, but I’m an adult that’s been white-hat trolling since the days when Scientology was trying to squelch the USENET group alt.religion.scientology.

        “Call me names and be an ass…”

        Aww, look. We’ve got another Troll Rights activist in our midst! If you don’t care to be called a concern troll, don’t concern troll. You’ll pardon me if I’m not phased by your whining about how cruel I’ve been to you. What I’ve dispensed wouldn’t even rate a “1” on the ButtHurt’OMeter scale.

        “because I asked questions.”

        “I’m just asking questions,” said every troll, stalker, and scumbag on the ‘Net, ever. As I pointed out, your flat statement that Bill Schmalfeldt was not going to suffer consequences for breaking peace orders EVER was an irrefutable “tell” you are concern trolling.

        Take your sad tale of butthurt and peddle it elsewhere. I hear Breitbart Unmasked could use a reader.

      • MT, you do yourself no good by not responding to measured commentary but instead engaging in lowering the conversation. My opinion of you is rapidly coalescing. I would assume many others are as well.

        If you want to be accepted in this community, you need not agree, but you MUST defend your position.

    • I also think most of the down twinkles represent a disagreement among ourselves and our frustrations with the judicial process and not so much a dislike of you or your opinions. You’re taking it personally when it is really not directed at you at all.

    • Paul
      As most others have already said to you, please don’t go away. What if the main purpose of the Concern Troll’s visit was to inject some bullshit for the very purpose of making folks argue & disconnect? You’d be playing right into his hands.

    • Oh, stop that. You’re probably getting down twinkles from sockbots.

      Which reminds me; here’s a fun one. My rather contemptuous ‘oh, someone who thinks practical is better than right’ reply to Monkeybone got two downtwinkles. Now I figure Murkytoe gave me one, but I wonder who dropped the other? Cabin Boy? Fall Out Boy? Vault Boy?

    • For god’s sake – Lemmen is a con artist. He was and still is. His comments prove he is not a man of god. Men of god don’t say the kinds of things he says. Mark my words, he will be asking for donations for something or other soon.

      • He also says it with such authority and superiority. Who are we to question what he “knows” about Father Paul Lemmen? And not just what he “knows” about the Father’s past, but what he “knows” about the Father’s present character and future plans. For that matter, who are we to question his opinion of Mr. Hoge’s legal strategy? The veil is slipping.

      • And, now that your plausible deniability has worn thin, you’re dropping the facade of “concern” and moving to out-and-out trolling.

        Yeah, Canuck, I’m smelling lagomorph here as well. And burnt sock.

        • A clambake could work on a monkey. Or a rabbit.

          On Thu, Jun 4, 2015 at 2:52 PM, hogewash wrote:

          > viewfromnl commented: “And, now that your plausible deniability has > worn thin, you’re dropping the facade of “concern” and moving to > out-and-out trolling. Yeah, Canuck, I’m smelling lagomorph here as well. > And burnt sock.”

      • Ding Ding Ding!!! we have a winner! MT, there are very few commenters on this blog, and I’d daresay no-one who calls himself (sorry ladies old school grammar) a Lickspittle, that doesn’t know who Paul Lemmen is and was. There are those who haven’t yet forgiven him, there are those who have; but none of us are ignorant of his past, and to a man (sorry again ladies) we are willing to give him a chance to reform. To my knowledge, Paul has never, I REPEAT, NEVER asked a Lickspittle for a single dime. One might say, “Well he’s playing a long con.” I might say he’s playing the longest game in the books; he’s playing for his immortal soul, and the mark is OMNISCIENT!!

        So, before you pontificate about what a man of GOD should act or talk like; I suggest you look to your own relationship with HIM and let Paul worry about his own affairs.

  15. I know the monkeytoe issue seems to have died down, but one set of issues was not raised.

    I am not one to impugn someone else’s motives without strong evidence. I have no objective evidence of what goes through someone else’s head. So most assaults on motives seems to lack both sense and reasonable charity. (Of course, there is no obligation to be charitable or sensible: I just prefer to be.)

    I agree with Army Vet that it is sometimes hard to see the practical point of peace orders in Maryland because the state will seldom enter them no matter how meritorious and is even less likely to enforce them once granted. So monkeytoe’s point that pursuing a peace order will not have much practical effect may be valid and certainly may be advocated in a well intentioned spirit.

    Yet the point that no one has mentioned is that it is Hoge and possibly Hoge’s family who are on the receiving end of these spewings. It is more than a little arrogant (something that is independent of motivations) to pontificate about a “come to Jesus” moment on something that you have no experience of and no responsibility for. It is one thing to give well-intentioned advice and advocate for it. That is not arrogant, but friendly. But it does not come across as friendly to get on one’s high horse and argue from authority as an attorney about an issue that someone else has to live with day in, day out. It comes across as demeaning to the victims: just live with it. I say this having myself sometimes argued that the remedies available to Hoge as a matter of legal principle may not be worth the pain that they cost. But I hope that I never came across as intimating that if Hoge disagreed with my opinions, then Hoge was out of his depth and should listen to his betters. I am not the one who has to put up with Witless Willie, and deference is owed to those who do.

    • AMEN, Jeff.

      And, those who disagree with the majority opinion don’t necessarily deserve to be called out as a troll or an infiltrator or whatnot. BUT, with that said — I find it hard to judge too harshly when it happens considering the cretins we are talking about here. Team Kimberlin is a vile mob of liars and con artists. Sadly, every now and again, an innocent — a good guy — gets caught in the crossfire of attempting due diligence when it comes to the motive behind unpopular opinions.

      I had issues with Malone in the early onset of his posting here at Hogewash!. My concerns and lack of trust proved to be very unfounded, but I knew the history and my reasons for being so. It wasn’t coming from a place of cruelty — more from a place of caution and protection.

      • Malone was one of the good ones, no doubt. But he got at cross purposes initially by intervening without much knowledge in something that had been on-going for a long while. I understood why several suspected him. BUT what proved both his worth as a human and those of the lickspittles generally was that his tone changed as he learned more about Witless Willie and that people here who were all set to condemn him changed their minds as they learned more about him. Charity (provided that it is tempered with reason) is indeed a virtue.

      • Grace, while I am not in agreement with MT, I thought his point – that John spends vast time, effort, and energy which Schmalfeldt ignores with impunity – was indeed a valid one.

        At least worth discussing. With a little less fire and brimstone.

      • “Grace, while I am not in agreement with MT, I thought his point – that John spends vast time, effort, and energy which Schmalfeldt ignores with impunity – was indeed a valid one.

        At least worth discussing. With a little less fire and brimstone.”

        Dianna —

        Monkeytoe’s point was indeed a valid one. I haven’t seen anyone argue otherwise. But, that very valid point could very easily be punctuated with a big, fat “DUH.” I’m not trying to be a jackass here, but anyone who has been paying half a glance worth of attention can readily see John’s vast efforts, and easily conclude Schmalfeldt doesn’t give a rat’s backside about following the law and simply leaving John alone. I don’t know exactly what there is to discuss there. Obvious is obvious.

        With that said, I don’t believe that is what Monkeytoe even wanted to discuss. Monkeytoe had already reached those conclusions. We have all reached those conclusions. I read his comments as pretty much telling John what John should do in pretty much a “Give it up already, dude.” superior tone. And, I just don’t think a “Schmalfeldt will never stop harassing you and you can’t do anything about it” attitude is necessary, nor very welcome — as evidenced by more than a few Lickspittle reactions.

        But, that’s just one more great thing about this little corner of the Internet our Gentle Host has carved out and allowed us to be a part of… we can agree to disagree. And, aside from a little namecalling and a few ruffled feathers here and there… we can all move on from it and still manage to keep our eyes and efforts on the big picture and the end goal.

    • “Yet the point that no one has mentioned is that it is Hoge and possibly Hoge’s family who are on the receiving end of these spewings. It is more than a little arrogant (something that is independent of motivations) to pontificate about a “come to Jesus” moment on something that you have no experience of and no responsibility for. It is one thing to give well-intentioned advice and advocate for it. That is not arrogant, but friendly. But it does not come across as friendly to get on one’s high horse and argue from authority as an attorney about an issue that someone else has to live with day in, day out. It comes across as demeaning to the victims: just live with it. I say this having myself sometimes argued that the remedies available to Hoge as a matter of legal principle may not be worth the pain that they cost. But I hope that I never came across as intimating that if Hoge disagreed with my opinions, then Hoge was out of his depth and should listen to his betters. I am not the one who has to put up with Witless Willie, and deference is owed to those who do.”

      Oh for god’s sake. My comment about “Come to jesus” was in response to comments attacking me for raising a valid point. You all need to get off your arrogant high horses and realize I made a point, asked a question, and was attacked by the con-man who is conning you all – Lemmen. He is a cancer. He claims to be a priest, but look at his attacks on me. Would a real man of god do that?

      Please. I was not being arrogant, and I have seen up close harrasment. Stop pretending you are in the trenches fighting the good fight. You don’t know any better than I do, what Hoge is going through. I have experience dealing with long, expensive litigation where there is no real “victory” to obtain – that was what I was commenting on. And there I believe I have far, far, far more experience than you – so perhaps it is you who is arrogant in calling me arrogant.

      I’m sick of the moral preening by people. I was trying to ask some reasoned questions based on my legal experience and got a bunch of childish, angry responses back. And you all justify it by saying “Kimberlin and Schmalfeldt are so terrible, it makes sense our first reaction is to go off the deep end and act like children.”

      Instead of justifying all of your (Not just you, but other commenters here) ridiculous behavior in response to what was a legitimate inquiry on my part – admit you are too emotionally invested in this to think straight and instead went straight on the attack for no good reason.

      • Oh, I’m sorry, are you still here?

        Seeing an awful lot of heat aimed at Lemmen. Perhaps there’s something you don’t want him to discuss?

      • “and was attacked by the con-man who is conning you all – Lemmen.” Tha’ts some mighty fine team Kimberlin lawyerin’ there.

        As I have said in the past., as an ex-correctional officer I am probably the person with the least amount of trust in “reformed” ex-cons. As a devout blasphemy of all organized religions, his religious conversion never gained him anything in my eyes.

        What he did howeverdo was turn over a hell of a lots of documents and evidence to John et al which resulted in vicious attacks against by TK including attempts to get his parole revoked.

        He has talked the talk, and more importantly walked the walk. I have seen nothing from you that indicates that you have put yourself in harm’s way for the cause

        If you have issues with him, then you will certainly have issues with me sir.

      • Monkeytoe,

        I don’t see your latest rant as anything other than an assault on strawmen.

        Look, if this were about acting rationally, the rational advice is to suggest to Bill Schmalfeldt, “Why don’t you simply forget that John Hoge, Aaron Walker and the rest of the lickspittles ever existed? You obviously get your jollies inflicting psychic pain on others. You thrive when others act in confusion, panic and terror. You are upset when you receive pushback. For your own reasons, you feel some need to win this one. You aren’t. Not now, not ever. Just let it go, and move on to your next victim. You’ll be much happier in your twisted way.”

        The real point is that Bill Schmalfeldt wouldn’t take that piece of rational advice because he isn’t rational. Maybe he is just too invested, maybe he is a full blown nutter. Fundamentally, it doesn’t matter.

        Fundamentally, I can assign semantic meaning to the words you use, but, I simply cannot find a rational argument there. The law says John Hoge is entitled to a Peace Order. He has simply availed himself to the protections provided for by the law. Will it stop Bill Schmalfeldt? No, it will not. On the margin, will it restrain Bill Schmalfeldt? Yes, it will. It has taken John Hoge minimal effort. That effort has been so minimal that it hasn’t been impediment to taking other action.

        Brett Kimberlin has announced that it will be “lawsuits for the rest of their lives!” During the same timeframe, Bill Schmalfeldt has sued John Hoge repeatedly, and, another very ordinary seaman has taunted John to sue him. You figure it out.

      • “…I made a point, asked a question, and was attacked by the con-man who is conning you all – Lemmen. He is a cancer.”

        Well well well. What have we here? The veil has dropped and we now see the true Monkeytoe. And if that was not enough, he has given us point for point rebuttals all the way down today that are repetitive, filled with name calling and smearing Father Paul Lemmen. I believe it’s time for Monkeytoe to take another commenter’s advice and take a look in the mirror – indeed. A “time-out” would have served you well. Too bad you did not avail yourself of it.

        From a comment above:
        “You people have no rational capacity. I get that now. When Pauly takes you for some $$, don’t say you were not warned.”

        By the way, just for your “edumacation,” Father Paul Lemmen has not asked for any money and has no plans to do so. Just another lie about the good Father promoted by you, huh? But you just “know” SO MUCH, don’t you?

        From comments above:
        “Nobody has actually made a rational response to my question/suggestion – just a lot of emotion about good vs. evil.”

        “…but was attacked so childishly for saying it, I have begun to realize that people here are as unhinged as the Kimberlin/Schmalfeldt group.”

        Several people commenting here seriously considered your point of view and said so. Your inability to see this and your attempt to paint us all with such a broad brush does not speak well of your “professional” ability as a lawyer or as a serious commenter.

        I myself was trying to see your point of view, but your comparisons of us to Kimberlin and Schmalfeldt reveal your true intent here.

        From a comment above:
        “If you really take a deep breath and think about it, you will all be pretty ashamed at your behavior over my comments.”

        Project much?

  16. Experts disagree on getting peace orders so no reason commenters wiould not as well. No personal experience myself. From what I have read peace orders work really well with people that ignore strong hints about going a way. The Order tells them, oh this person really meant it when they said get lost. The person finally takes the hint and moves on. With others it either does nothing or makes things worse. Just in my opinion, I think in this case Hoge was right to get the original order, it did not help much but probably did not hurt. Going forward probably worth the effort, given he is not paying lawyers, so expenses are not exorbitant.

    • The best reason to get a peace order is to document, for the legal system, that a person does not respect authority. The first one, eh, the second one, hmm, the third one, say!

      By the time a person accumulates four or five “dings”, the cops, the prosecutors, and the courts will stop cutting them slack.

      You can bet the cops don’t give it much credit when Crystal Cox, Robert Schuler, or Deb Frisch call up with a complaint…

      • This. Plus it provides a documentary chain if something truly horrible happens.

        Self-defense is good. Self-defense backed up by first trying legal, peaceful means is even better.

  17. Hey look, we had a discussion that was oft times contentious. We argued and disagreed There was a bit of name calling but all in all a pretty civil discussion of a difference of opinion. And at the end of the day commenting is still open and no one got the ban hammer.

    Funny how this kind of discussion is not tolerated at the various TK blogs isn’t it? I guess people expressing differing opinions scares the shit out of the cowards.

    • The inability to tolerate different views always suggests to me that the non-tolerating one either suspects or knows that his position is not sound enough to sustain examination. I have been wrong often enough that listening to others does not seem like a waste of my time.

  18. Monkeytoe has asked, “What is the end game?” That’s a fair question to ask, but, first, one must know what is the “game?” That is simple enough. In Brett Kimberlin you have a man who is committed to a strategy of intimidation, seemingly irrevocably, and John Hoge has committed the to the strategy of not being intimidated with equal resolve. The “end game” is simple enough: one man loses.

    Bill Schmalfeldt is a unique foot soldier in that he seems, probably due to ignorance, bravado, denial and nuttiness, indifferent to going to jail. Colin Powell was once asked how do you deal with the seemingly intractable problem of an enemy being willing to die for his cause. Without hesitation, Colin Powell answered back, “You accommodate him!” I would suggest that the only way to deal with the fact that Bill Schmalfeldt is willing to go to jail is to also accommodate him. That might be a long a tendious process. If that is the case, so be it!

    • indifferent to going to jail.

      Training. Years and years of training.

      All the penalties he’s suffered, they never really stuck. He’s always between able to eke out an excuse. Even the last review at NHS “they had to give me a bad review to put me on disability” – he believes.

      Despite that being utterly ridiculous.

      He’s been trained that nothing will ever happen to him.

      Other than complete failure at even mediocrity – but he doesn’t even see that as a punishment.

  19. Monkeytoe: I will assume you’re serious here and not concern trolling. Yes, Schmalfeldt will not stop until he is made to stop. Making him stop is a long process, regrettably. A sane person would take the restraining order as a f***ing hint. My career as a criminal defense attorney exposed me to many people who could not take such hints.

    Judges are reluctant to send a person to jail absent a felony, violence or drugs (and the last one much less so than you’d think). Repeated scofflaw actions lessen judicial reluctance. Hoge is playing the long game Schmalfeldt is playing Russian roulette.

  20. I’ve been able to follow this thread on and off over the past day, and I have found the interplay between the regular Lickspittles and Monkeytoe quite interesting.

    Of course, I can understand why someone would take the opportunity to put his writing in a forum with wider circulation than it normally enjoys, but Monkeytoe would probably find Breitbart Unmasked a more congenial spot, and he might do better if he takes his stuff back there.

      • What I find interesting is the assumption that “we” are giving Paul money. I have never been asked to do so, and I operate from the premise that even many so-called legitimate charities are front operations, IYKWIMAITYD. I donate to very few and fully vetted causes/individuals. Once again, money, money, money makes an appearance.

      • “If wild rabbits are not at hand, try domestic ones. Either way, delicious, especially when served with potato pancakes, rye bread, and beer.”

        ~Bernard Clayton’s “Cooking Across America”

      • You should try that hasenpfeffer in a large burrito wrap with fresh guacamole, refried beans (or plain old black beans), some medium salsa and a dollop of sour cream … makes a magnificent lunch!

    • “…takes his stuff back there.”

      Not over there? My, my, Father Paul’s “radar” reliability rating just went up a few notches.

  21. I still believe I acted poorly, I just had an overwhelming dislike for MT. Of course I am all the things he accused me of being except for the allegations of current criminal conduct. If anyone ever has factual allegations of criminal conduct, I request that you report that to the Pinellas-Pasco (Florida) State Attorneys Office, Attn: Bernie McCabe, Esq.
    Conversely, I would direct MT and all others who would publish a comment or post alleging criminal activity on my part to read the Florida Statute on Criminal Slander and Harassment.
    Since I work very closely with Mr. McCabe’s office in my ministry to ex-cons and especially with probationers, his office would be very interested in your allegations … you know, to keep everything clean, neat and aboveboard.

    • Paul, your Boss took a whip to moneychangers in the Temple. Twice. Sometimes the bad guys need to be dealt with forcefully—especially when they are impersonating the good guys.

      Was your reaction perfect? No, it wasn’t, but you seem to be getting a grasp of how to do better in the future. Be thankful for that, and carry on.

      • Wise words my friend, that I shall take to heart. More study of tactical Christianity is in store. I’m getting much better at enemy recognitio though …

      • You are improving in many areas, and I hope your health will be included in that. Good luck tomorrow, my friend.

    • Despite being redeemed, my friend, we are human. And the human side of us will more often than not win in our expressions as we are not yet perfected – we are works in progress!

      Let it not worry you, for we see whose righteousness you are clothing yourself, and who you are attempting to model yourself upon. And He is not of this world. Amen!

      • Thank you Ash. I also express my thanks to all who have given me encouragement in the comments above. you are all in my prayers and my thoughts. I’ll keep you all posted both before my surgery tomorrow (which has been delayed until 1:30 EDT) and after my return home tomorrow night.
        God’s blessing on you all.

    • Probably your subconscious was reacting to this guy because he reminded you of people you used to know. If he wasn’t actually someone you used to know. Why else was he so angry at you.

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