“For Sale To Civilians”

The Jersey Journal and the WSJ report that Jersey City Mayor Steve Fulop wants to “shape the dialog” about “gun safety” by requiring companies who want to sell guns and ammunition to the Jersey City PD to state whether they offer “assault weapons” “for sale to civilians.” Of course, they do. They wouldn’t be offering them for sale to the Jersey City Police Department unless they did.

Perhaps the mayor should reacquaint himself with the Constitution. Article I, Section 10 states:

No State shall, without the Consent of Congress, … keep Troops, or Ships of War in time of Peace …

Jersey City, as a subdivision of New Jersey, has not been granted the authority by Congress to raise and keep its own army. The cops in Jersey City are civilians.

The mayor’s question would be more properly framed as asking if the companies offer semi-automatic rifles for sale to citizens. Citizens. Those pesky people who think that public officials, elected and appointed, work for them rather that rule over them.

17 thoughts on ““For Sale To Civilians”

  1. Well said – allowing them to exclude themselves from the civilian class is exactly what they want. They are not the military.

  2. Given all the responses of gun manufacturers recently, this is an insane idea. What company, in their right mind, would supply weapons and ammo to a single city at the expense of the rest of the country? Likewise, what better way to increase sales than making a statement by explicitly no selling to Jersey City. These liberals just don’t understand how the world works.

  3. In fairness, I think you would have to concede that law enforcement personnel are both civilians AND citizens as well. The problem is not that the Mayor fails to properly identify the difference between law enforcement and non-law enforcement individuals, but rather that the Mayor sees the need to do so in the first place. To put it another way, the problem is not with the Mayor’s classification but rather with the fact that he feels the need to draw a distinction in the first place.

    • citizen covers anyone legally a citizen of the United States. Civilian describes someone not under the military chain of command. National Guard members are not civilians when actually doing their time, but they return to civilian status at the end of that time.

      Law enforcement is not and never has been “non-civilian”; LEOs referring to non-law enforcement as civilians basically are trying to act as if they are better than the people they serve.

      The quote from Art I, sec 10 is all that is needed to clarify it. The Mayor is basically an idiot and since I grew up in NJ, I am qualified to state that.

      • Yes, I agree. I was simply pointing out that when Mr. Hoge argues, “The mayor’s question would be more properly framed as asking if the companies offer semi-automatic rifles for sale to citizens,” The answer would also be, “Of course they do. They wouldn’t be offering them to sale to the Jersey City Police Department unless they did,” because law enforcement are also citizens. IF the issue was with the Mayor’s choice of classification,between citizens and civilians, both apply to law enforcement AND non-law enforcement – which is where I think they Mayor, and Mr. Hoge, failed to draw a proper distinction for purposes of classification.

        The Mayor, I assume, is a liberal, only-the-government-should-have-guns, the-people-are-beneath-the-government, nanny-state, police-state, big-government-fascist. I assume he wants to draw a distinction between those who he believes should be allowed to purchase high powered (or any) firearms – law enforcement, politicians, the elite ruling class (the government generally) – and those who should not be allowed to purchase high powered firearms – the lowly, ignorant, unwashed masses who make up the public at large. This is why the Mayor thought of law enforcement as somehow being different from civilians. Mr. Hoge properly points out the mayor failed in drawing his distinction because he wrongly classifies law enforcement outside the realm of civilians. Likewise, I propose, Mr. Hoge has fallen into the same trap, because law enforcement is not different from the citizenry (because law enforcement are citizens also… my point).

        The real issue, as I proposed above, is that the Mayor somehow thinks it matters if the public at large is purchasing high-powered guns and rifles. (My second point). The real issue is that the Mayor sees a difference between the right of law enforcement to own and possess high powered rifles over the ignorant, lowly, unwashed masses who make up his constituency. Only a big government, elitist, fascist would support having a government better armed than its populace.

  4. More black women need to be elected to political office – despite their leanings, in New Orleans I found that many were super law enforcement enablers and self defense champions – true they were liberals – but in liberal land pick your wins where you can and they count

  5. The idea that the police have some special status or privileges is especially pernicious and destructive of democratic society.

    From Sir Robert Peel’s Principles of Policing: “To maintain at all times a relationship with the public that gives reality to the historic tradition that the police are the public and that the public are the police, the police being only members of the public who are paid to give full-time attention to duties which are incumbent on every citizen in the interests of community welfare and existence.” (emphasis added)

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